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lweThere's something beginning writers do -- especially, but by no means only, self-published ones -- that I don't understand. Beginning writers do a lot of stupid and counter-productive things, of course, but I have in mind one particular one that I find baffling.
Or maybe, now that I think about it, not all that baffling. Consider: There you are, Joe Author, and your new book Carbuncles of Mars is now available on Amazon, and you are simultaneously swollen with pride at your accomplishment, and terrified that nobody will buy it or review it or read it or acknowledge your existence in any way. You want to prove that you're a Real Writer, and you want to sell your book.
So you join writers' groups wherever you can find them, to prove you're a real writer -- I get that. But what I don't get is then posting ads in them, rather than talking about, you know, writing.
I suppose it comes from forgetting that proving you're a real writer, and selling your book, aren't the same thing.
But you know what happens when you post ads to writers' groups? The real writers leave. Because we aren't looking for more stuff to read; we always have more than we can possibly keep up with. We want places where we can talk about writing, but we won't wade through ads to do it.
I just saw this happen over on Facebook, where C.J. Cherryh left a writers' group because it was overrun with ads. She took the trouble to say she was leaving, and why; I suspect that most of the name writers there didn't bother, they just vanished. I'm not 100% sure why I haven't left that particular group yet; I've certainly dropped out of plenty of others over the years when the ads from beginners overwhelmed the discussion.
And that's the thing -- this always happens. Every. Single. Time. Any time anyone creates a writers' group that doesn't have either steep membership requirements or ferocious moderation, the newbies pile in, eager to be accepted, but instead of talking about the craft or business of writing, they always, always start posting about their own latest literary accomplishments, trying to coax everyone to check out Carbuncles from Mars.
Always.
Sometimes there's actually a substantive discussion for awhile, but it always fades out, smothered under a thousand variations of, "Lookit me! I wrote a book!"
Which is stupid. Writers aren't your market; writers have no time or money to waste on semi-pro work from unknowns. We have enough trouble keeping up with the big names in our field. You don't want to advertise to writers, you want to advertise to readers. Not the same group.
Other writers are not your audience. Really. Other writers are, in fact, a very hard sell, because we know enough about how it's done to see everything you did wrong.
So, all you beginners, newbies, would-be writers and wannabes, stop it. Oh, join writers' groups if you want, but don't advertise in them. All it does is chase people away.
Or maybe, now that I think about it, not all that baffling. Consider: There you are, Joe Author, and your new book Carbuncles of Mars is now available on Amazon, and you are simultaneously swollen with pride at your accomplishment, and terrified that nobody will buy it or review it or read it or acknowledge your existence in any way. You want to prove that you're a Real Writer, and you want to sell your book.
So you join writers' groups wherever you can find them, to prove you're a real writer -- I get that. But what I don't get is then posting ads in them, rather than talking about, you know, writing.
I suppose it comes from forgetting that proving you're a real writer, and selling your book, aren't the same thing.
But you know what happens when you post ads to writers' groups? The real writers leave. Because we aren't looking for more stuff to read; we always have more than we can possibly keep up with. We want places where we can talk about writing, but we won't wade through ads to do it.
I just saw this happen over on Facebook, where C.J. Cherryh left a writers' group because it was overrun with ads. She took the trouble to say she was leaving, and why; I suspect that most of the name writers there didn't bother, they just vanished. I'm not 100% sure why I haven't left that particular group yet; I've certainly dropped out of plenty of others over the years when the ads from beginners overwhelmed the discussion.
And that's the thing -- this always happens. Every. Single. Time. Any time anyone creates a writers' group that doesn't have either steep membership requirements or ferocious moderation, the newbies pile in, eager to be accepted, but instead of talking about the craft or business of writing, they always, always start posting about their own latest literary accomplishments, trying to coax everyone to check out Carbuncles from Mars.
Always.
Sometimes there's actually a substantive discussion for awhile, but it always fades out, smothered under a thousand variations of, "Lookit me! I wrote a book!"
Which is stupid. Writers aren't your market; writers have no time or money to waste on semi-pro work from unknowns. We have enough trouble keeping up with the big names in our field. You don't want to advertise to writers, you want to advertise to readers. Not the same group.
Other writers are not your audience. Really. Other writers are, in fact, a very hard sell, because we know enough about how it's done to see everything you did wrong.
So, all you beginners, newbies, would-be writers and wannabes, stop it. Oh, join writers' groups if you want, but don't advertise in them. All it does is chase people away.
Thoughts
Date: 2012-12-06 09:04 am (UTC)Thing is, with any group but especially online, you have to say what it's for and then stick with that. What drives people nuts is off-topic stuff or a falling signal-to-noise ratio. Ads are a common problem, but not always a problem, and there are other things besides ads that can kill a writer's group, such as trolls.
You get what you put up with.